Effect of water during polishing?

[jet_m3]

I have made it a habit of misting the pad every time I begin polishing a panel. What effect does this have on the abrasive qualities and results of my work and do you advise against it? Some say it makes the cutitng action greater while a friend who uses menzerna says that it prevents micro marring in his case. I know you can`t speak of his experience, but can you tell me what significance water has in my situation? Thanks! This thread was spurred by a post accumulator made on the other forum.

[Mike @ einszett]

This is the second time I`ve been asked this question in the past week. I really don`t know where this tip comes from. Never seen or heard of it before in the industry. Sorry to be so blunt but sounds like the next "tip of the month" to me.



Does that mean it`s wrong? Don`t know.



The basis for my answer is this: if the manufacturers of their products required you to mist the pad, they would either 1) state to mist the pad on their directions or 2) put more water in their product (there`s already water in polishes as part of the formula).



Again: Whether you use 1Z or any other brand, keep it simple



The best tip I can give anyone, "practice". Whether you apply by hand, DA or rotary... "practice".



Hope this helps



Regards,

[Accumulator]

Originally posted by jet_m3

I have made it a habit of misting the pad every time I begin polishing a panel....This thread was spurred by a post

accumulator made on the other forum.

Hope I didn`t somehow miscommunicate (wouldn`t be the first time ). I DO NOT let water dampen the pad/surface when using 1Z products; as Mike said, that`s NOT gonna do anything good. That`s why I won`t clean a pad and keep using it (damp) during a 1Z polishing job, but rather get out a fresh pad if I need one.



I HAVE used a damp wool PC pad to add some bite to/retard the breakdown of 3M FCRCs. It does work, and it`s not a subtle difference. It was a stop-gap measure when I was trying to do "rotary work" with a PC, safer than using a medium cut compound. But not nearly as advisable as just using the right tool (a rotary polisher).



I too have seen a lot of recent posts about "priming the PC pad" with a QD or water, or misting some QD on the panel before polishing with a PC. I don`t get it. Yeah, it works well with a rotary *with some products*, but I don`t see any reason to do it with a PC and I never need to do it with 1Z polishes anyhow. I just "prime" the pad with the polish.



Sure didn`t mean to give out any bogus info, so I hope this clarified things.

[LouisanaJeeper]

I do this. I just do ONE spray on the pad at the begining of the polishing process. It helps the polish absorb/be distibuted more evenly on my pad before it gets evenly saturated with product after one or two panels.

[Mike @ einszett]

Accumulator, hope I didn`t come off sounding like I was discrediting you. Certainly wasn`t my intention.



From what you and Jeeper say, it sounds like it does work in certain cases for specific purposes other than what I had in mind. I was getting the impression that `the word` was that a polish was going to cut a lot better and produce exceptional results with someone who has average or less than average experience. In other words, a magic trick of sorts.



Now, if a manufacturer comes out with a "Pad Prep Agent", be wary :xyxthumbs Wait, maybe Einszett should reserve that name... If I`m rambling it`s because it`s been a long day...



Regards,

[jet_m3]

No no don`t worry accumulator. I just remembered it popped up in your post, not saying you did or didn`t mist the pad. This has just been what I have been doing and was wondering the results. I will try the dry method and observe my results and maybe then I can relay my findings :up

[Accumulator]

Mike & jet_M3- OK, I just didn`t want to be misunderstood. Heh heh, there are plenty of unorthodox/heretical things that I DO advocate. The TRUE upshot of the whole "damp wool pad" thing was that when you need a rotary, use a rotary.



And Mike, when I`m wrong, never hesitate to say so! You`d BETTER know more about 1Z products than I do and if I`m gonna be stubborn we can at least agree to disagree.



LouisanaJeeper- I wouldn`t be surprised if you use a LOT less product than I do, thanks to that little spritz. I will say that it takes a fair amount of polish to saturate the pad when I`m first starting out.

[Mike @ einszett]

Believe me, I never stop learning.





Just out of curiosity, when is an argument going to start so I can use these guys? :argue



Hehehehe :p



All the best,

[KingV]

Originally posted by Mike @Einszett

Accumulator, hope I didn`t come off sounding like I was discrediting you. Certainly wasn`t my intention.



From what you and Jeeper say, it sounds like it does work in certain cases for specific purposes other than what I had in mind. I was getting the impression that `the word` was that a polish was going to cut a lot better and produce exceptional results with someone who has average or less than average experience. In other words, a magic trick of sorts.



Now, if a manufacturer comes out with a "Pad Prep Agent", be wary :xyxthumbs Wait, maybe Einszett should reserve that name... If I`m rambling it`s because it`s been a long day...



Regards,

Perhaps 1Z should reserve Padpreppenlugen as a name instead?

[Jcrawford]

Originally posted by KingV

Perhaps 1Z should reserve Padpreppenlugen as a name instead?