Pressure washers?

[Mindflux]

If you aren`t touching your paint I don`t see how you are getting off road film/grime? This stuff doesn`t come off with touchless washes.



Here`s an example:



My buddy had a white 01 CL Type S (I think that was the year). It was white and only had touchless washes from the get go. It looked pretty good, that is until I did a hand wash with it. You could see a huge very visible distinct difference between where I had washed and where I hadn`t. This was road film/grime that doesn`t come off without some sort of manual agitation.



Of course, the process of waxing/polishing would provide that agitation.. just at the cost of getting grime/dirt into your applicator pads.





Also regarding dispersal tips. If you hook up a Camspray to it, obviously you have no dispersal tip. How does the foamer impact pressure at the tip?

[mobiledetailkid]

One of the important points about chosing a pressure washer is GPM. You want lot`s of GPM. Pressure doesn`t really matter, but the amount of water you can put through it per minute is important. Get at least 2.0 gpm. Imagine trying to wash your car with a hand spray bottle. That`s what it`s like trying to rinse/wash a car off with a low GPM PW.





I have a 3,000 PSI 2.8 GPM John Deere, and it`s perfect for my touch free washes. I do use it at the full 3,000 PSI, too. But I have one of the wide angle dispersal tips on it so it doesn`t peel my paint off.



To answer Abbeysdad`s question about why you`d want a PW... Not having to touch the paint to do a complete wash is a huge benefit; if I don`t touch my paint, I can`t swirl it.



Important stuff when buying a PW:

Honda Engine

Triple piston type pump

High GPM



Most all of the electric ones sold at Home Depot, Lowes, Costco, etc. are very cheaply made and won`t last long at all. They also have very low GPM. If you go to a more expensive electric PW, you`ll have to have a dedicated 20 amp circuit to push the current needed for more GPM. You`ll either have to go with a big circuit or go gas to get decent GPM.

I agree GPM is important I have the bulldog skid mount pressure washer 3.5 GPM with the 6.5 HP Briggs and Stratton Motor and I have not had any problems with it. My opinion is you definitely want to get one that has the option to switch out the tips to change the water angle. I have never had a problem with peeling paint. Having good GPM plus PSI also makes it easier to clean out hard to reach areas such as wheel wells.Just my .2 Cents

[Eisen Hulk]

May I ask what you paid for this particular model??

I have a 3,000 PSI 2.8 GPM John Deere, and it`s perfect for my touch free washes. I do use it at the full 3,000 PSI, too. But I have one of the wide angle dispersal tips on it so it doesn`t peel my paint off.

[SuperBee364]

If you aren`t touching your paint I don`t see how you are getting off road film/grime? This stuff doesn`t come off with touchless washes.



Here`s an example:



My buddy had a white 01 CL Type S (I think that was the year). It was white and only had touchless washes from the get go. It looked pretty good, that is until I did a hand wash with it. You could see a huge very visible distinct difference between where I had washed and where I hadn`t. This was road film/grime that doesn`t come off without some sort of manual agitation.



Of course, the process of waxing/polishing would provide that agitation.. just at the cost of getting grime/dirt into your applicator pads.





Also regarding dispersal tips. If you hook up a Camspray to it, obviously you have no dispersal tip. How does the foamer impact pressure at the tip?

You wouldn`t think so, would ya. Check this out... http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-det...ot-s-pics.html I`ve been working on a touchless wash method for quite some time.



As for the camspray foamer, I have to swap out my tip to use the cannon, then swap the regular tip back on it. Kind of a pain, but it doesn`t take too long to do.

[SuperBee364]

May I ask what you paid for this particular model??

3000 PSI /2.8 GPM Pressure Washer

The price shown on that page is the price I paid for it about a year ago.

[Mindflux]

You wouldn`t think so, would ya. Check this out... http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-det...ot-s-pics.html I`ve been working on a touchless wash method for quite some time.



As for the camspray foamer, I have to swap out my tip to use the cannon, then swap the regular tip back on it. Kind of a pain, but it doesn`t take too long to do.

I still think there`s road grime there! It may not look like it (hell the CL-S didn`t either) until I got my mitt(pun!) on it.



Your black `sticker` didn`t fare well and showed it. The blue paint is just more forgiving as far as hiding things.



:furious:

[SuperBee364]

I still think there`s road grime there! It may not look like it (hell the CL-S didn`t either) until I got my mitt(pun!) on it.

LoL, nope, there`s not. It is *completely* clean. Did you notice the finger swipe test in the before pictures? What you can`t see is the finger swipe test in the after pictures, cause there wasn`t anything to show the swipe! The only thing on the car that still has anything on it is the black vinyl decals. They didn`t have any wax on them, and they still require a wash media to get clean.



Now granted I don`t get those kind of results *every* time. As the wax gets older (and more worn off), I do end up leaving some stuff behind. When that happens, I use a BHB to get the stuff off, then apply another layer of wax.

[SuperBee364]

I still think there`s road grime there! It may not look like it (hell the CL-S didn`t either) until I got my mitt(pun!) on it.



Your black `sticker` didn`t fare well and showed it. The blue paint is just more forgiving as far as hiding things.



:furious:

It had no wax on it. The wax is 99.9% of the reason why the touchless works so well. And honestly, if there were *anything* left on the paint, I really would tell you. There`s nothing to gain by pulling your leg on this. Yes, the black vinyl stickers still had stuff on them. That`s explained in the thread. No wax=no clean. And no, there really was *nothing, nada, zilch, empty set* left on the paint. It`s not hiding, it`s just not there. Really. Honest. No kidding. I`m not lyiing.

[Mindflux]

It had no wax on it. The wax is 99.9% of the reason why the touchless works so well. And honestly, if there were *anything* left on the paint, I really would tell you. There`s nothing to gain by pulling your leg on this. Yes, the black vinyl stickers still had stuff on them. That`s explained in the thread. No wax=no clean. And no, there really was *nothing, nada, zilch, empty set* left on the paint. It`s not hiding, it`s just not there. Really. Honest. No kidding. I`m not lyiing.

We`re going to have to agree to disagree then. I have Zaino on my car, but if I did a touchless wash I`m pretty certain I could come home and QD the car and pull up road grime. (This could be dependent on how far between washes you go). I`m not talking about standing dirt you can visibly see. I`m talking about the film of ick you get on your car just from daily driving. It`s not always readily apparent.

[SuperBee364]

Zaino not coming clean with a touchless wash is one of the reasons why I stopped using it. That and the fact that it was providing about zero environmental protection, especially against water spots.



Fluxy, I have no hidden agenda. If this didn`t work exactly as I have stated, I would say so. I have been trying many different LSP`s to get this touchless wash to work. And Zaino was the very worst of all of them. Anyone here that owns Vintage will back me up on this. It is the very best wax for easily realeasing what`s on it during a wash. The fact that you`re calling my honesty into question really sucks, man.

[Mindflux]

Supe,

I know you have no hidden agenda. I just am respectfully disagreeing. That doesn`t mean you aren`t a great detailer it just means we have a different thought process on how a detail should go. It`s perfectly ok by me. I didn`t say you were dishonest.



I`m not trying to make you out as a shill or anything. Relax, it`s just an opinion, right?

[Eisen Hulk]

Thank you, sir.

3000 PSI /2.8 GPM Pressure Washer

The price shown on that page is the price I paid for it about a year ago.

[gmblack3]

There are many factors that go into why certain products work well for some and not others.

It is my opinion and experience that zaino does protect very well against water spots and fallout. Some may choose to offer "facts" here, while I offer just my opinion.