M95 Vs. M105 (Again)

[imported_Denzil]

Well, while there is that option of M95 for the longer work-in time but if you have OC, wouldn`t it be more thrifty to just use a Scottwax`s M105/OC 70/30 mixture for the desired behavior?



I know, I know, this thread`s about M95 vs. M105. But hey, if you can get by with the mixture, might as well use it!



I guess I just need a much more justifiable reason to purchasing yet another bottle of polish.



Oh and Supe, I think you need a UPW.

[imported_weekendwarrior]

OK, so 95 has a longer working time, but 105 finishes nicer? If this is the case, couldn`t you just buy 105, and then mix a little Optimum Polishih, Optimum Compound, Clearkote Compound Moose, or Meguiar`s 83 to extend the play time of the 105?

[SuperBee364]

OK, so 95 has a longer working time, but 105 finishes nicer? If this is the case, couldn`t you just buy 105, and then mix a little Optimum Polishih, Optimum Compound, Clearkote Compound Moose, or Meguiar`s 83 to extend the play time of the 105?

Well, while there is that option of M95 for the longer work-in time but if you have OC, wouldn`t it be more thrifty to just use a Scottwax`s M105/OC 70/30 mixture for the desired behavior?



I know, I know, this thread`s about M95 vs. M105. But hey, if you can get by with the mixture, might as well use it!



I guess I just need a much more justifiable reason to purchasing yet another bottle of polish.



Oh and Supe, I think you need a UPW.

You`re a bad influence, Denzil. I like that.



Yes, Scott`s idea of mixing in OC does work to extend the working time, but it also effects M105`s ability to finish off really well. Scott might have the trick to this, but I haven`t been able to get M105 to finish off nearly as well after adding OC to it. Maybe I should have used OP, but I didn`t want to diminish the cutting power of the 105. Otherwise, I`d just use SIP.

[imported_Denzil]

You`re a bad influence, Denzil. I like that.



Yes, Scott`s idea of mixing in OC does work to extend the working time, but it also effects M105`s ability to finish off really well. Scott might have the trick to this, but I haven`t been able to get M105 to finish off nearly as well after adding OC to it. Maybe I should have used OP, but I didn`t want to diminish the cutting power of the 105. Otherwise, I`d just use SIP.

Hey well, I think we just feed off of each other... so essentially, the cycle really never ends.



It`s a good thing we haven`t sucked anyone else up into our vicious cycle, hehe.

[Todd@RUPES]

In my opinion after recentely using M95 on quite a few cars, I would choose M105.



In comparision to each other...



M105 has more cut then M95, in terms of defect removal after an application. M105 also breaks down in 5-20 seconds a wool pad, where as M95 has a more traditional working time (much wetter) and breaks down in 30 seconds or more. The cut difference is small enough, but M105 is definetly more aggressive and does the job much quicker.



For the amount of cut M95 has (it has a lot, just not quite M105 amount) it does finish down pretty nice, but nowhere near as nice as M105 (when worked properly and quickly).



M105 is much more finicky and sometimes is just a pain in the butt to use. It can smear, gum up, be stubborn to remove basically when ever it wants to. M95 by comparision is much more user friendly.



If you could only have 1, then M95 might be the better choice because it has consistant results, where as M105 can act horribly on certain cars. However, when M105 is on, nothing touches it, not even M95 IMO.

[Junebug]

I`m one of the few that tried 105 and didn`t get the learning curve right. I`ll freely admit I have have a lot of "quit" in me (borrowed that from Ron White) and if it ain`t user friendly I give the hell up. That said, I believe I would be better off with 84 or 85 and just work it a little longer if I were chosing a Megs product. All ya`ll that get M105, my hat is off to you, salute!

[Rob Tomlin]

Hmmm....



So for a rotary newbie, would you recommend m95 over 105 Todd?

[SuperBee364]

In my opinion after recentely using M95 on quite a few cars, I would choose M105.



In comparision to each other...



M105 has more cut then M95, in terms of defect removal after an application. M105 also breaks down in 5-20 seconds a wool pad, where as M95 has a more traditional working time (much wetter) and breaks down in 30 seconds or more. The cut difference is small enough, but M105 is definetly more aggressive and does the job much quicker.



For the amount of cut M95 has (it has a lot, just not quite M105 amount) it does finish down pretty nice, but nowhere near as nice as M105 (when worked properly and quickly).



M105 is much more finicky and sometimes is just a pain in the butt to use. It can smear, gum up, be stubborn to remove basically when ever it wants to. M95 by comparision is much more user friendly.



If you could only have 1, then M95 might be the better choice because it has consistant results, where as M105 can act horribly on certain cars. However, when M105 is on, nothing touches it, not even M95 IMO.

This is exactly the stuff I`m looking for. Thank you very much, Todd.



I`m glad to hear that even you pros experience the odd problem with 105. I was thinking it was just me. It probably *is* me, but still it`s nice to know that others find it finicky too.

[SuperBee364]

Hmmm....



So for a rotary newbie, would you recommend m95 over 105 Todd?

I know you asked Todd specifically, but I just gotta add my two cents on this one...



Rob, since you`re new to the rotary, you won`t have been pre-trained on other polishes. That`s a good thing, cause with M105 you have to pretty much un-learn everything you`ve learned about polishing and start over completely.



Even with as much cutting power as M105 has, Meguairs has added some safe guards to it. You simply can`t work it very long, it won`t let you. That being the case, it`s actually a pretty new-guy safe compound. Just don`t do a bunch of repeated applications on the same area, and you should be ok.



If you don`t like the way an M105 polished area came out, just hit it with SIP or 106 to remove the haze/swirls, etc. But don`t do another application of the 105.

[Rob Tomlin]

I know you asked Todd specifically, but I just gotta add my two cents on this one...



Rob, since you`re new to the rotary, you won`t have been pre-trained on other polishes. That`s a good thing, cause with M105 you have to pretty much un-learn everything you`ve learned about polishing and start over completely.



Even with as much cutting power as M105 has, Meguairs has added some safe guards to it. You simply can`t work it very long, it won`t let you. That being the case, it`s actually a pretty new-guy safe compound. Just don`t do a bunch of repeated applications on the same area, and you should be ok.



If you don`t like the way an M105 polished area came out, just hit it with SIP or 106 to remove the haze/swirls, etc. But don`t do another application of the 105.

Thanks for that, makes a lot of sense!



For a car that has some fairly bad swirls, but is otherwise in pretty good condition (no or few RIDS etc) what pad would you start out with? PFW?

[SuperBee364]

Thanks for that, makes a lot of sense!



For a car that has some fairly bad swirls, but is otherwise in pretty good condition (no or few RIDS etc) what pad would you start out with? PFW?

PFW works really well with M105, as long as you keep the pad slightly moistened with a good QD. Otherwise it gums up really fast. Spurring between each application helps alot, too.



You`re gonna love this stuff.

[Rob Tomlin]

PFW works really well with M105, as long as you keep the pad slightly moistened with a good QD. Otherwise it gums up really fast. Spurring between each application helps alot, too.



You`re gonna love this stuff.

You cost me some dough today pal!



Just ordered m105, 3 PFW pads (I already had two, but that`s just not enough) and the spur from ADS! The 105 is only $23.95 for 32 ounces, not a bad price. And the 3 pack of PFW was $29.95, which is about $10 each.







Edit: may be getting the 105 locally to insure I will have it this weekend.

[SuperBee364]

You cost me some dough today pal!



Just ordered m105, 3 PFW pads (I already had two, but that`s just not enough) and the spur from ADS! The 105 is only $23.95 for 32 ounces, not a bad price. And the 3 pack of PFW was $29.95, which is about $10 each.

LoL, it`s never quite enough, is it? I`m thinking about ordering some M95 and Black Wow from ADS. Ya know, we should really be blaming Denzil. He`s the one that suggested ADS to me a couple months ago. Although I gotta say, I`ve been very happy with ADS so far. Their prices are usually among the best, and getting my stuff two days after ordering is nice, too.

[imported_Denzil]

LoL, it`s never quite enough, is it? I`m thinking about ordering some M95 and Black Wow from ADS. Ya know, we should really be blaming Denzil. He`s the one that suggested ADS to me a couple months ago. Although I gotta say, I`ve been very happy with ADS so far. Their prices are usually among the best, and getting my stuff two days after ordering is nice, too.

LoL, I`m just as guilty as you guys are about spending money! Hell, I blame myself for impulsively buying detailing products all the time because somehow, some way, I find a "justifying" reason to have it. It`s an addiction.



I might have to start going to Detailers Anonymous meetings... :laugh:



So about those meetings... Patrick at Excel Detail should be getting another order from me tomorrow. :woot2:

[Mindflux]

rick at ads is great. I do wish shipping was cheaper but that is not his fault.